If elected he would be a great president because we would see a very pragmatic Obama who has absolutely no beliefs.

Hmm, that's rather unfriendly.

so wait, Obama isn't going to call for a gradual but honorable withdraw from iraq dictated by the facts on the ground?

because if not you NEED to post your sources immediately this was half the reason I supported him!

p.s. why don't you post at Townhall.com :-P

We (Clinton) supporters said Obama was the same kind of politician that have been around for decades, he will, and continue to change his position as the wind blows.

We never thought he was the Messiah (as some think) or a great new "change maker". He is quite infact, a normal, rather average debator, excellent speechmaker, not a policy wonk with a different background from other Presidents.

At the end of the day, he is a politician, he will screw us over like all other previous Republican and Democrat president. We make a choice as to who will screw us over the least.

You see, Obama's electoral success relies on being the "change-maker" and an "honestman" as SOME POINT this media spin will e destroyed, and we democrats must hope it is after the General Election.

Clinton's run was a brilliant one, she redefined her image in 1 month for the whole nation - Given her life, for many many years in the media, given the amount of crap she has taken from attacks from the left and right, she still was only 0.5% (approx) voted behind Obama.

So if you want to make a judgement as to who is the better POLITICIAN Hillary wins hands down!

If you want to make a decision on to who is the better person - We don't know who Obama is at all (media only on his case for 6 months really vs decades vs Clinton)

The problem for the Democrats would not be in November, but in 4 years time, when reality hits home, when the Republicans have a younger better candidate, when Obama's media spin is handled by what he does, and not by what he says.

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Well your are certainly entitled to your assumptions. Just be careful because we all know what assuming does.

latitude and time. I never thought of him as a liberal left icon. I'll be quite happy if he turns out to be Bill Clinton without self destructive tendencies. Anything that moves the dial of nation a tad bit from the extreme rightwing is fine with me at this point.

I'm however disappointed in his stand or lack of stand thereof on FISA.

are now able to have is the nice little chuckle that we have reading your pile of bile, knowing that you are just completely off base.

Wait, you mean the Democratic nominee is taking more centrist stands as he shifts to the general election in order to appeal to independent voters he is going to need to win?  Shocking!  Outrageous!  Scandalous, even!

C'mon, people.  If you don't start reccing diaries with content, this is going to keep happening.

Fucking trolls are knee-deep around here...

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Two? Two?! It only takes two malcontents to get this joke on the wreck list?

No wonder this site is so dysfunctional.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Cry me a riverrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!

served us a plate of really weak sauce.

a troll, or sour grapes?

He is not Bill Clinton.

Bill Clinton is a policy wonk as is Hillary.  They actually know personally what they are talking about.

Obama is more like Reagan.  His friends will run the country and he will keep hope alive.

So maybe the better question is what kind of president will kos make?

Does it seem to anyone else these diaries are getting a little repetitous now?

Same soil, being tilled, just new phraseology?

Again, I think the point overall is, Senator Clinton would have also "run for the middle" at least retorically, hell, ALL candidates from either side do it.

What I see is, folks who are still pissed at Obama winning just endless repeating the same song with slight variations?

"Bill Clinton is a policy wonk as is Hillary.  They actually know personally what they are talking about.

Obama is more like Reagan.  His friends will run the country and he will keep hope alive."

My problem with that is, Reality?

Senator Clinton actually let Her Husband AND his hand choosen advisors (Mark Penn) run her campaign, going back YEARS, hence her votes on Kyl-Liberman, AUMF, etc, to position her to overcome the perception that a woman would be weak on Military matters.

She also listened to those same people, and ran a TERRIBLE Nomination campaign?

For such a smart wonk, she played by yesterdays rules and got beaten?

So, DTaylor, actions ALWAYS speak louder then words of opinion, and Obama's actions so far show he is stronger in choosing a strategy and executing it?

So, I will reverse your simple question?

I would have had a LOT of worries about a Clinton presidency: One driven by warring factions of advisors, including Bill, driving Senator Clinton away from her natural instincts?

On the other hand, Obama's masterful nomination campaign, coming from DOWN over 100 super delegates, coming from DOWN all the political machinery in Senator Clinton's quarter, shows me HE is the more resolute, the more steady state, the better at chosing the correct strategy and sticking to it?

Just depends on how you view it, eh?

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